Another New Airline Arrives at Hawthorne – FLOAT


Conducting practice flights right now, FLOAT’s commercial airline service says it will start in January 2020.

Another commercial airline is landing at Hawthorne on a regular basis – FLOAT Fly Over All the Traffic.  The big planes are not as loud as the Surf Air turbo-prop PC-12s, but still big, noisy airplanes.

And yet another commercial airline using Hawthorne, which is not a designated as a commercial airport.

Have you seen the FLOAT airplanes fly over your home? Leave a comment below…

Learn more about FLOAT at 

This FLOATPlane_Homeis what their planes look like


City of LA Harbor Gateway Council Sends Hawthorne City Council Request for Help with Aircraft Noise

From the Harbor Gateway North’s letter to the Hawthorne City Council

On September 11, 2018, our Board voted 9-0-0 to go on record with this letter regarding the increased aircraft noise that many of our stakeholders who live below the flight path of the Hawthorne Municipal Airport (HHR) are experiencing. Because all Districts of the Harbor Gateway North community are located in the flight path, we are concerned about the safety, noise, and pollution issues caused by the increasing commercial and private air traffic into your airport which is resulting from changes in the permitted flight path and larger size of aircraft using the airport. We have also received complaints about interference with residents’ television signal reception and other electronics in their homes when the aircraft fly over.

Pamela Thornton
Chairperson, harbor Gateway North Neighborhood Council

cc: Congressmember Maxine Waters – Congressional District 43
Councilmember Joe Buscaino – Council District 15
Alison Becker, Senior Advisor – Council District 15
Nathan Holmes, Planning Deputy – Council District 15
John Jones III, Field Deputy – Council District 15
Arely Garcia, Constituent Services – Council District 15

Jet Center LA About to Open New Hangars Along 120th, Highlight Airport has no Curfew

More hanger space at Hawthorne run by Jet Center LA.

According to the City jet traffic is up 300% in the last couple of years.

Will this bring in even more jets? It’s not looking good.

Particularly when Jet Center keeps highlighting in the aviation press that Hawthorne has absolutely no curfew. See the sentence  we bolded.

Article on aviation website AINonline

Jet Center Los Angeles, one of two FBOs at dedicated general aviation Jack Northrop Field/Hawthorne Municipal Airport (HHR), expects to complete its $10.5 million hangar project by the end of this month.

Located three miles south of LAX and 13 miles from downtown Los Angeles, HHR has a 4,956-foot runway and no curfew. It is situated just blocks away from the under-construction stadium for the L.A. Rams football team and SpaceX’s headquarters are on the southest end of the airfield.

“With the help from our partners and talented team, Hawthorne Airport is perfectly situated to service all the overflow from busier L.A. airports,” said Jet Center Los Angeles president Levi Stockton. “With these hangars in place and the new Rams stadium, Hawthorne Airport will be the hot spot for L.A. corporate travel.”

Uh-oh: New Airline ROAM Starting Commercial Service at Hawthorne Soon

Well this can’t be good – yet another commercial airline is starting up operations at Hawthorne Airport. They say they’re launching a similar model to Surf Air “in the coming months.” How did tiny Hawthorne airport surrounded by neighborhoods close in become LA’s major commercial airport? Without ever informing us residents?

Learn more about ROAM at

The airline also promotes that they are hiring young and inexperienced pilots to fly for them. Inexperienced pilots landing commercial airlines over our neighborhoods? That doesn’t sound good.

How Does an Airport Noise Advisory Committee Work?

San Diego Airport’s new Community Advisory Committee offers one model…

From the La Jolla Light newspaper:

The Airport Noise Authority initiated the Flight Procedures Study in January 2018, published a call for applications to serve on the Citizen Advisory (CAC) and Technical Advisory (TAC) Committees, appointed those committees and retained a private air noise consulting firm to make recommendations to the SDCRAA and ultimately to the FAA.

  • 3 -La Jolla’ representatives on the 15-person CAC,
  • representatives from Ocean Beach, Point Loma , Mission Beach and Lemon Grove.
  • one FAA Air Traffic Control District Manager
  • operations manager from the airport
  • members of the Airport Authority
  • representatives of Sky West, Alaska and Southwest Airlines
  • a representative from private aviation
  • long range planners for the City of San Diego
  • an Airport Noise Authority Commission (ANAC) member
  • two retired USAF pilots who also sit on the CAC

We Asked Hawthorne Airport Neighbors: What’s Your Greatest Safety or Noise Concern?

Here are some of the responses (we keep answers anonymous to protect neighbors privacy)…

  1. Surf Air planes are too loud and fly land too low to the ground upon approach to the airport over the Parkside Village community.
  2. Airplanes flying over my house
  3. Jets flying and helicopters over my home at all hours of the day and night and the noise that it makes, they changed the flight path, and how is the airport going to sound proof my home if there are not any changes made ASAP?
  4. 1) Planes are flying low and north of 120th directly over residential area. 2) Planes flying late at night.
  5. Noise
  6. Noise early in the morning and flying too low over the Raymond power lines.
  7. Low flying planes and noise, property value and times planes are permitted to land.
  8. Low flying, flight path over Wiseburn, all hours flights
  9. I am concerned about the airplanes flying directly over our house which is located north of Hollypark. These constant flights are polluting the area with exhaust fumes that are harmful to our health and the frequently blaring close encountered noise is very frightening. I have logged flights coming in occasionally after 10:00 pm and the sounds from the planes are very terrifying; sounding as if the plane is coming directly into your home. On 1/18/18 a plane flew directly over the house at 10:51 PM and the sound was horrendous. We have lived here for 2 years as of April 2018 and were told by the selling agent we would not be directly affected by the planes because the Hawthorne airport is not a busy airport and the planes are coming in over the park. Well, the majority of the times the planes fly directly over our home. I’ve stated several times that I am going to the city to file a complaint but I am happy to see that neighbors and citizens are coming together to address this concerning issue.
  10. Altitude concerns
  11. Noise, low flyers, helicoptors hovering too long overhead.
  12. Noise pollution, flying to low.
  13. Airplanes
  14. noise, safety (small plane crashes have been in the news frequently over the last couple of months) and pollution
  15. I would like to share my concerns about the noise level and privacy. Currently the noise level is loud upon the planes approaching the landing strip and a constance humming. When trying to enjoy time on the outside in the backyard there is no privacy as the planes fly over. Thank you in advance for your consideration into this matter.
  16. Low/Noise flying planes right over my house. I am in the flight path to Hawthorne Airport
  17. Concerned about how low the planes are flying
  18. Night time curfew of flying, flight path permanent as to not go over homes when landing and taking off, debris and jet fuel landing on cars, more traffic in the area were more accidents can occur ( pedestrians safety with crossing and aesthetic of neighborhood near Hawthorne Airport, do not want to decrease values of homes.
  19. planes flying over my home, shaking, noise, window rattling
  20. planes flyinig over my home dayand night, lot of noise, window rattling, loud noise from planes
  21. planes flying over my home, loud noise, rattling, shaking, keep us awake, sounds like plane is landing on top of my home.
  22. noise, possible crashes, air pollution
  23. I am concerned about safety as planes depart the airport as well as the exponential increase in air traffic over my home. The jets are very loud. I can hear the planes through closed doors and windows in my home.
  24. altitude, noise, hours
  25. Level of acceptable noise by aircraft and motorcycles. What noise is considered safe. Private pilots do not follow routes out of HHR
  26. Excessive noise from airplanes flying directly over my home – concerned about airplane carcinogenic pollution impacting my health and the lack of my peaceful enjoyment with airplanes flying over my home after 10 PM. On 3/22/18 a plane flew over my house into the Hawthorne Airport at 10:51 PM and on 3/23/18 at 11:28 PM.

Hawthorne Airport Public-Private Partnership Deal Signed in 2006 to Expand Airport, Prepare for Big Jets

From the Daily Breeze on 9/1/17

Hawthorne airport shuts down for remodel

In December 2006, the city worked out a public-private deal with real estate investors Wedgewood Properties, Kearny Real Estate Co. and Howard CDM to improve the property.

The companies are paying for new hangars and facility improvements, and will share profits from hangar rentals and other fees with the city.

The investment group funded a $1.2million refurbishment of the airport lobby and offices last year. They also brought in Million Air, a national company that provides airport and pilot services, to operate the airport’s restaurant, lobby, shuttle service to Los Angeles International Airport, airplane parking and fueling, and hangar maintenance, among other things.

They are also paying for dozens of new hangars in the next few years, said David Wehrly, vice president of Wedgewood Properties.

General Background on FAA and Airport Noise

UC Davis Aviation Noise Conference – March 2018

Aviation Laws Over the Years

Steve Alverson ES Associations
(Steve is also the FAA assigned consultant to assist the LAX Community Roundtable)
and Greg Maxwell, Casper

  • 1958 FAA Act – Congress recognized the public has a right to air transit – a right of national sovereignty.
  • 1968 Federal Aviation AC – noticed noise was a problem and decided to regulate noise with the highest standards of safety. Aimed at designing quieter aircraft.
  • 1969 FAA Promulgates CFAR Part 36 noise standards, set the maximum noise standards for new aircraft.
  • 1972 Noise Control Act – FAA could not certify an aircraft to fly if it didn’t meet noise standards. Stage 1-5 aircraft.
  • 1972 – ATA vs Crowdy – justify the ability to control noise is out of the hands of airports. Airports cannot charge fees based on noise and they cannot charge fees that are shifted to other community purposes. Funding must stay within the airport.
  • 1976 – FAAs Aviation Noise Abatement Policy – current noise policy. The draft policy in 2011 was never adopted or released.
  • 1979 ASNA Aviation Safety and Noise Abatement – Created the Part 150 Noise Reports, Noise Exposure Maps and Land Use Compatibility regulations (this is what Hawthorne Airport went through in 2012-2017).
  • 1988 – Stage 3 aircraft were mandatory
  • 1990 –  Airport Noise and Capacity Act – ANAC seminal point in airport noise, in exchange for phasing out the nosier stage 2 aircraft, the airports have to meet a higher standard for aircraft regulations.
    Airports with curfews and unusual noise control landing/takeoff procedures were grandfathered in as okay.

    14 CFR Part 161 – severely limits an airport proprietor’s ability to enact restrictions on aircraft operations. Encourage voluntary agreements to control aircraft noise. Any new noise control procedures or curfews the FAA must approve. They have only approved one over 30 years. The Part 161 process for airports is really difficult. Only 1 airport has tried and succeeded, most airports fail. LAX spent $10 million trying to get over ocean flights permanent and failed.

Other interesting aviation noise developments:

  • Newer aircraft are so aerodynamic they need lower altitude approaches (2.85-degrees) into the airport.
  • Today’s jets are the quietest ever
  • There is an impact of aircraft of noise on human health and on children
  • New trends include more community activism across the county, such as the Quiet Skies Coalitions
  • FAA acknowledges the 65 dnl “average” noise standard might not be appropriate for neighborhoods – 55 dnl?. New noise curves are expected from the FAA in June/July 2018.
  • CA law requires noise contours be supported by actual noise studies. Federal law allows noise models.
  • AEDT is the tool to be used for FAA reports and master plans. AEDT can also predict noise levels at sensitive locations: schools, hospitals and churches.
  • Air emissions can kill you – they do cause cancer and other bad things
  • FAA study – Airports that implement soundproofing programs are highly ranked by their neighbors, they get really good reviews from residents. Bc the resident can watch TV and talk on the phone and benefits from the soundproofing.
  • Airports file quarterly noise reports with the state to show how their noise contours are shrinking. >>Where is the State of CA noise reports filed?
  • Nighttime run-up and maintenance procedures are noise that can be regulated by local county health departments, noise ordinances and regulations. The FAA does not regulate on the ground noise, the County or local City does.
  • The FAA does not believe in Avigation Easements any more.
  • FAR Part 158 – Passenger Facility Charges – how airports collect soundproofing fees. Set at level of $1, 2 or 3. Airports may use PFC funds for noise mitigation with an FAA-approved FAR
  • It takes doubling of distance/altitude to achieve a 3db reduction in noise level.

Finally, What should residents do? Residents should become informed about aircraft noise impacts and act accordingly.

Experiences from Other Airports

Recommendations from Tahoe Truckee airport representatives suggestions for pilot, airplane and residential noise control:

  • Talk to Surf Air pilots they’re willing to work with local airports on flight paths for noise control and to benefit local residents
  • Have Hawthorne look into why their fly quietly guidelines are not loaded into the “ForeFlight” system which all pilots use.
  • Tahoe Truckee has two staff members dedicated to safety and noise: a Community Liaison Rep and Trainer for Pilots on fly quietly gudielines.
  • Also Hawthorne should contact Gretchen and Davey at San Carlos Airport to see how they worked out a deal with Surf Air pilots.

General Background on FAA Responsibilities from the FAA

Aviation Noise Abatement Policy

Federal Responsibilities

  • Regulation of noise at the source (engine noise emission standards)
  • Management of the air traffic control system consistent with the highest standards of safety
  • Financial and technical assistance to airport proprietors for noise reduction planning and abatement activities
  • In conjunction with the private sector conducts research into noise abatement technology
  • Introduced in 2016 is the FAA Community Involvement Manual (PDF). FAA Community Involved website.

Airport Proprietor Responsibilities

  • Primarily responsible for planning and implementing actions designed to reduce the effect of noise on the surrounding area
    • Selecting optimal site location
    • Improvements in airport design
    • Noise abatement ground procedures
    • Land acquisition

State and Local Government Responsibilities

  • Land use planning and development
  • Zoning to limit uses of land near airports to purposes compatible with airport operations
  • Housing regulation

Air Carriers Responsibilities

  • Retirement, replacement or retrofit of older aircraft that do not meet federal noise standards
  • Scheduling and flying aircraft to minimize the impact of noise on people
    • As a result of deregulation, FAA does not control airline schedules, the number of flights an airline operates, nor the type of equipment (aircraft) the airline operates.

The Airport Noise and Capacity Act (ANCA)

  • Establishes a process for airports to impose noise and access restrictions on the operation of Stage 2 and Stage 3 aircraft.
  • Applies to Stage 4 and 5 aircraft because they comply with Stage 3 standards
  • Applies to all public use airports
  • 14 C.F.R. part 161 contains the process for seeking a restriction
  • Two types of restrictions: Voluntary and Imposed
  • Voluntary Restrictions
    • Operator must notify air carriers providing service as well as potential new entrants at the airport
    • Operator must notify airport tenants, community groups, and federal, state and local agencies with land use control
    • Operators must agree to the proposed restriction
  • Imposed Restrictions
    • Requires FAA approval
    • Requires an analysis of the restriction that demonstrates by substantial evidence that the proposed restriction:
      • Is reasonable, non-arbitrary, and non-discriminatory
      • Does not create an undue burden on interstate commerce
      • Maintains safe and efficient use of the navigable airspace
      • Does not conflict with any federal statute or regulation
      • The applicant has provided adequate opportunity for public comment on the proposed restriction
      • Does not create an undue burden on the national aviation system.